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(WITH POLL) Fitness Center at Hartland High School Slated to Close to Public

Officials say declining community use, student need and cost main factors behind decision — some regulars vow to fight the move.

 

The fitness center at Hartland High School is closing to the public after April 1 — a decision that's upset some of the facility's most frequent users who hope to lobby the school district to change its mind.

"I just want it to stay the way it is," said Hartland resident Scott Weigman, who along with his wife and two teenage children have used the facility that includes a weight room and indoor track. "It's my home away from home."

But Michelle Otis, director of Hartland Community Education, says declining numbers over the past several years along with a need from athletic teams to use the space led officials to decide to close the center to the public.

"We're not covering our costs," said Otis, who said last year the facility averaged 1.4 people per hour. "It doesn't make the sense to have it staffed and open if people aren't coming."

In contrast, the school's aquatic center that's adjacent to the weight room and track is extremely popular. Otis said she believes a big factor in the the fitness center decline has been the opening of two 24-hour gyms in Hartland in recent years. In addition, she added not all adults want to work out with teens. The center, now open 5-9 p.m. Monday through Friday, already had scaled back hours by eliminating weekends and early mornings.

Walk-ins cost $4 a person or the center is available as part of a membership of the Hartland Aquatic Center that ranges from $85 a person to $170 per family for 13 weeks.

Weigman, however, said he believes the center would be more popular if the district did a better job taking care of the equipment, marketing it to the public and offering discounts to students. He said he hopes he and other frequent users who agree with him can convince officials to reverse the decision, noting it wouldn't take many memberships to cover the minimum wages of the workers who now oversee it.

"It's the gym we don't tell anybody about," he said. "It's run so poorly. … What do you expect? I think these people should be ashamed of themselves. It's apparent they don't want to be bothered with it."

He also said it should stay open because it was part of the plans that voters approved when $77 million was sold to build the high school that opened in 2003, Creekside Elementary School and its adjoining athletic complex. In addition, the district cited its community services in arguing for a 2010 bond.

The school board recently approved spending $41,000 for new equipment that could be installed as soon as this week — which became disappointing once Weigman learned of the planned change.

"It's very frustrating that our tax dollars paid for that place and now we're being excommunicated," he said.

Otis defended how the center is marketed, saying the center is advertised in the Community Life newsletter that is mailed to everyone in the Hartland School District along with the aquatic center. She said the center was mentioned in a recent Livingston County Daily Press & Argus article about fitness choices.

Ultimately, she added, success or failure, though, for community education programs and facilities in her experience is based on word of mouth.

She also said the community has other options for fitness, including the outdoor track at the Hartland Educational Support Service Center, fitness classes and open gyms for pickleball, basketball and volleyball. Otis said the district is also offering monthly memberships to help during the transition, but she doesn't expect a change in the decision.

"There's not enough people that want it," she said. "If it was busting at the seems like the pool, we wouldn't be having this discussion."

  • Should the Hartland School District keep its fitness center open to the public?

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    • Yes
        147 (82%)
    • No
        31 (17%)
    Total votes: 178
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dan rice

8:15 pm on Thursday, January 12, 2012

Mr welgman couldn't be more corrrect in his assessment. Ms Ottis has done an extremely incompetent job managing this resource. It was our tax dollars that funded the vented and should be striving to meet the needs of the community. I was a dedicated User of the center for several years until they eliminated morning and weekend hours. Ms Otis explanatiion to me was that the district wasn't interested in the community's needs for the center. Equipment became rundown to the point it became dangerous to use. A clear case of mismanagement and no willingness for accountability. Feels like once the tax dollars were given the mission of the center changed.

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Rob

8:48 pm on Thursday, January 12, 2012

Let's get our facts straight (frequent user) 1) Comm Ed does a horrible job at monitoring attendance and collecting payments. Therefore, the 1.4 users/hour is a completely useless, misleading statistic. 2) The facility is poorly maintained and employees are not monitored- mngnt failure 3) The fitness center has much more to offer than local gyms (freewieghts, squat racks, kettlebells, platforms, etc.) But they do not advertise it! I have yet to see an ad in Community Life for the Fitness Center (not aquatic center)- another misleading quote. Why not use free sign ads at HS gyms and fields? 4) Comm Ed does not provide a fitness-only membership (<$25) like other school gyms do. Instead, users must also pay for pool usage which adds cost and reduces competitiveness. 5) Tax payers were told the facility would be open to the public when we bought the bond a year ago. Now the equipment is here and we are being booted! Is this the level of trust we should have in our Board leadership?! Comm Ed has failed to track attendance, failed to collect revenues to run the facility, failed to clean and maintain it, failed to advertise it, failed to maintain weekend hours, and failed to provide a price plan for fitness only. Many other school gyms including Milford run successful, profitable fitness centers- why can't we? We should not suffer due to Comm Ed neglect and mismanagement. Comm Ed should be held accountable to properly manage the fitness center and the bond that bought it!

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JC

8:30 am on Friday, January 13, 2012

Declining use is most certainly due to residents not being informed. This is the first I've heard of the fitness center being open to the public. Granted I've only been a Hartland resident for a few short years.

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JC

8:37 am on Friday, January 13, 2012

Sounds like the fitness center simply needs new management. There are plenty of ways to advertise for free (social media ring a bell?) Not to mention school and community newsletters. Closing this venue to the public is a shame and will promote a lack of trust toward future public funded projects. As I stated before I'm new to the area and will almost certainly vote no to anything asking for public funding.

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mike coctosin

9:17 pm on Monday, January 16, 2012

We had this beautiful facility and the help ran it into the ground, only to ask for new stuff. Now that they got their way, they kick everyone out and will just destroy it again. It feels eerily similar to Detroit.

Scott Weigman

3:55 pm on Friday, January 13, 2012

Take a look at the photos I posted on this article folks. These are actual photos of our gym at Hartland High School. Yes..this is the facility your kids and the tax payers, use every day.

“Gee..... as the director of Hartland Community Education, I can’t seem to figure out why the membership is down.”

How about these reasons:
1) No weekend hours
2) Employees who do absolutely nothing but text, read and socialize.
3) NO advertising
4) Broken equipment
5) Filthy conditions
6) Inoperative televisions

I have personally spoken to Ms. Julie HILL and Ms. Michelle OTIS about this gem of a facility. It's apparent; there is nothing more these two want than to shut this place down. Less work and responsibility for the same pay! They have plenty of excuses why to close it, but not one idea of how to make it better. If Hartland’s Caroselli Aquatic & Fitness Center were a private business, the CEO of said corporation would have to dismiss its managers.

The taxpayers voted for a bond to revamp the fitness center. This week a lot of beautiful new equipment (treadmills, weights, bars, platforms, kettlebells, power cage, med balls, etc.) was delivered to the school. Guess what? You can’t use it now because OTIS said so.

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mike coctosin

9:14 pm on Monday, January 16, 2012

I am starting a petition that will ask for the resignation of OTIS. Incompetent clown.

hartland eagle

2:05 pm on Saturday, January 14, 2012

Good move by the school district! Why were the schools involved in running a fitness center in the first place? Their mission is to educate kids. Not run a taxpayer subsidized fitness center for the handful of people that use the place.

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Rob Wesley

7:30 pm on Saturday, January 14, 2012

Now that makes sense, using that logic, let's close the pool and cancel every program that community education runs that would not be considered "educational". You do understand that the fitness center is used by the high school for gym classes and for the athletic programs? The reason they have such a nice facility is that the community was able to share it. It would fund itself if run like many other community centers. There is no excuse for letting it fall into disrepair unless 1) It was purposely sabotaged to decrease membership to justify handing it back to the atheltic dept. 2) sheer incompetence and lack of effort.

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hartland eagle

12:30 pm on Sunday, January 15, 2012

The pool and gym are part of the school district's physical education program. Has nothing to do with community ed. No one's suggesting closing either of them, in fact, the district just put another $41k into the gym. The reason they exist and the school district paid for it is because it's part of the educational curriculum.

Community Ed can't provide public access to the gym at a profit. Thus, it should be closed. They can to the pool. Great. Keep it open. They can and do provide community access to lots of classes at a profit. Those that they can't - guess what - they get cancelled.

Comm Ed should continue to provide access to the gym to you at a financial loss? Because you're somehow entitled to it?

You want a gym, there's 2 fine ones within two minutes of the high school. But, you'll have to pay the full cost of what gym access costs - which is what this is all really about.

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dan rice

2:34 pm on Sunday, January 15, 2012

must have something to do with Comm Ed if that dept is running it.

Once again, was funded by the taxpayers and the pitch for the bonds highlighted the center's benefits to the entire community. timing of the closure certainly supports the theory that Comm Ed leadership is overwhelmed and in over their heads & looking to peel back accountabilities after first fleecing the taxpayers.

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Rob Wesley

3:47 pm on Sunday, January 15, 2012

Hartland Eagle (always wonder the hidden agenda when people hide their name)...
1.) If the fitness center cannot be profitable as you claim, I assume you must be close to its management to know this for such a "fact". I have presented many reasons above why it has not been profitable. Nobody would support wasting money (not even malcontents like us). Because community ed has failed to run it properly, does not mean it cannot be profitable. Why not fix it first, if it still does not work, then close it? Are you afraid of the work? How do the other community centers like Milford run their fitness centers at a profit?
2.) Yes, there are other local fitness centers. However, I and the rest of the community have already paid for this one in our taxes when we were sold a "public usage fitness center" in both bonds. Why should we have to pay twice? Plus, the High School fitness center offers much more than the other facilities in free weights, kettlebells, power clean platforms, etc. They are NOT the same by any stretch.
3.) Why wouldn't anyone want to try to fix the problems first then make an informed decision before screwing over the tax payers? As tax payers, shouldn't we demand some accountability to properly manage the investments we have made?
4.) My fear is that the neglect of the facility was done purposefully in order to justify handing the facility back to the athletic dept. If that is the case then we have all been duped and heads should roll!

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hartland eagle

4:24 pm on Sunday, January 15, 2012

The taxpayers have not been "screwed over". The bonds were for the school district, for capital expenditures, and the community got everything they were promised and voted for. The schools got some nice facilities for their physical education program, and the community gets access to the facilities there's demand for through community ed. Simple as that.

dan rice

3:13 pm on Saturday, January 14, 2012

classic bait and switch by the district. 1-Solicit support from the taxpayers to vote for the bonds needed to 1st fund the center and then later to refurb it by highlighting the benefits for the entire community. 2-Once you get the funding from the taxpayers, take away the resource from them. 3-Spin the rationale by blaming the community for not supporting the resource vs the failure of leadership that it really is.

Can anyone blame me if i'm skeptical of district claims made for future bond votes?

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hartland eagle

4:27 pm on Sunday, January 15, 2012

Most people didn't vote for the bond so they could get access to the facilities for themselves. They're used by a tiny, tiny fraction of the residents. People voted for it to enhance the facilities and phys ed program for kids.

Scott Weigman

5:22 pm on Saturday, January 14, 2012

Yeah Dan..you're spot on. It sure seems like fraud to me. Entice and sell the voters on something and then take it away from them.

Mission Statement:

The mission of Hartland Community Education is to furnish the community of Hartland, through citizen involvement, programs in recreation, enrichment and cultural activities providing lifelong learning.

Yeah right...

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E

3:30 pm on Sunday, January 15, 2012

Why not close this facility to students ( who are spitting gum onto the floor)? Why keep Hartland residents from using this facility?

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hartland eagle

4:25 pm on Sunday, January 15, 2012

Because the school district paid for it, you know, for students. Community Ed can't get enough people interested to even support staffing the place, let alone pay for the equipment.

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Rob Wesley

5:20 pm on Sunday, January 15, 2012

Hartland Eagle, I think you meant the tax payers paid for it for the community (not just the students). It's no wonder that maintaining memberships at the fitness center has been difficult when they don't clean it, don't advertise it, cancel weekend hours, and don't provide a price for lifting only? It is not that people are disinterested, they have been pushed out the door.

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hartland eagle

7:45 pm on Sunday, January 15, 2012

No, Rob. The taxpayers paid for it for the schools. Not for the community. If it was for the community, the township would have paid for it. They didn't. The school bonded for it, for inclusion in their educational program.

Your point is well taken that it was poorly run. All the more reason to stop bleeding cash on it. Few people are interested in working out in a high school gym. I looked at it once and knew it wasn't for me.

Scott Weigman

6:28 pm on Sunday, January 15, 2012

Hartland Eagle....I'm curious, why do you object to the fitness center so much? I can tell you why I'm for it...because I use it, pay for it and love what it is. Heck..I even have my real name on here to keep it legitimate. I don't need a moniker to hide behind. What is your real name and affiliation to the school?

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hartland eagle

7:48 pm on Sunday, January 15, 2012

Because I don't post my name my opinion isn't legitimate? Please. Your comments have become a permanent record that will follow you for the rest of your life. Good luck with that.

I have no objection to the fitness center, if it could pay for itself. It can't. I don't want any school funds going towards this. School funds should be used for the education of our kids. Not for your subsidized health club.

dan rice

7:38 pm on Sunday, January 15, 2012

hartland eagle does seem to have the talking points down a little too much to be just another casual commentator...

i eagerly await the unmasking of the eagle

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hartland eagle

7:50 pm on Sunday, January 15, 2012

Thanks for the complement there, Dan.

I've got nothing to do with the fitness center, the school district, or Community Ed. Just an interested citizen.

dan rice

8:59 pm on Sunday, January 15, 2012

uh huh.
here's another compliment---anonymous is also smarter after engaging in name-calling.

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hartland eagle

9:16 pm on Sunday, January 15, 2012

Who's name calling? The three of you that were using the gym don't like it that not everyone agrees with you.

You guys are the one calling Comm Ed incompetent, over their heads, accused them of intentially causing the place to fail, screwing the public, fleecing the taxpayers - etc, etc...

Jordan Genso

8:45 am on Monday, January 16, 2012

As a third-party observer of this conversation (I have no real opinion on the issue), I do think that those in favor of keeping the fitness center open to the public are making points the other side is failing to address:

-If the bonds were promoted with the claim that it would benefit the public, not just the students, and now that the bonds have passed, the public is losing their benefit, how is that justified? Is it that the bond promoters *didn't* say it would benefit the community outside the school? Even if I don't personally use the fitness center, I would be more likely to vote for a bond in favor of investing more in it if I felt it was open to all, not just the students.

-Do those who are in favor of closing the fitness center from the public feel that the fitness center was given a good chance for profitability? I too will admit I was unaware of the fitness center, yet aware of the aquatic center. It's anecdotal, sure, but I do try to be somewhat knowledgable about our community. So it seems reasonable to think that better promotion is needed.

-With new equipment soon to be installed, and the fitness center therefore being revamped in a way, isn't this a great opportunity to try and save the program? If the status quo (in terms of what the center is offering) is changing, why not see if the status quo (in terms of the center's popularity) also changes?

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Jordan Genso

8:55 am on Monday, January 16, 2012

Questions for those in favor of the fitness center staying open:

-Couldn't the center be viewed as a "sunk cost", and implementing some of the recommended changes (more hours of operation, additional capital investments like new equipment and TVs, higher labor costs needed to keep the center clean, additional advertising, etc) simply be "throwing good money after bad"?

-Is there a level of use that you would admit is low enough to justify closing the center? Even if the 1.4 people/hour use rate is incorrect, is there a rate that could be too low that, even if it results in a net profit for the center, is still not enough use to justify the investment in time/money/effort of the school. There is an "opportunity cost" associated with the school's investment in labor and capital, and so isn't it fair to look at other ways the school could use those resources to provide potentially greater value in some other way?

-In that same line of thinking, I think we all agree that the school's top priority should be the education of our students. Couldn't these community-based programs be viewed as diverting attention away from those goals, and it is therefore justified to hold these programs to a higher standard than normal? That the programs need not just make a profit, but be overwhelmingly convincing in their benefits to the school?

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dan rice

10:21 pm on Monday, January 16, 2012

i absolutely agree that the district's primary focus should be student education. Comm Ed mission is slightly different however. See the excerpt that Mr Weigman posted.

2 major concerns: 1-center was marketed as a resource for the community (and used at least in part, as a selling point for the bonds) and the goal posts were moved after getting the funding they were looking for. 2-fitness center failed, at least in part due to incompetent leadership and there should be accountability for that.

Your questions for both sides are the right ones to ask and i applaud you for trying to get the rhetoric on this toned down.

mike coctosin

9:10 pm on Monday, January 16, 2012

I've been in that gym and am ashamed of those two clowns sitting there doing nothing while the gym rotted. Dust bunnies and trash all over the place. Broken equipment and now that they new stuff is in, Otis decides to shut the place down. If the nepotism hadn't taken over, maybe some decent employees could have kept the place up. I have lived in Hartland for many years and had no idea this place existed until told by Vaughan that the place was there. It's a shame the township got their bond, and now closes it up to the people that pay for it. Ms. Otis should be ashamed of herself, but is too arrogant to be.

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Trina

8:44 pm on Wednesday, January 18, 2012

What? We have a fitness center??? As in a gym???? So this whole time I have been dropping my daughter off to swim, I could have worked out at the same time? I have been in Hartland for almost 5 years and had no idea.

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dan rice

10:37 pm on Wednesday, January 18, 2012

Pretty neat concept, isn't it? Could even have been a money-maker for the school if Hartland knew about it---beats selling all those pizza kits.

Even the Light bulb had to have a marketing strategy for it to take hold---

Scott Weigman

2:12 pm on Thursday, January 19, 2012

Trina, you should call the Community Education and Fitness Center directors and let them know. They don't believe the residents of Hartland were kept in the dark about this awesome place.

What we need now is for Community Ed and the citizens of Hartland to find a solution to keep this place open. With all the new gear we just paid for, it's like a whole new gym.

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hartland eagle

6:17 pm on Thursday, January 19, 2012

Awesome! If only we can get Trina to show up once an hour, we can get the average up over 2 people per hour.

The fitness center is advertised in every issue of the Comm Ed catalog, just like every other offering they have. This one can't pay its own way. With it closed down, Comm Ed can now focus their resources on things that will have wider appeal to the community.

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dan rice

7:38 pm on Friday, January 20, 2012

Somebody answer the phone at Community Life! Budweiser, Pepsi and Ford are calling to re-direct their marketing budgets.

JK, obviously the Fitness center doesn't have big bucks to market, but there have been several other good low-cost marketing ideas surfaced here. How about some social media? My point is don't assume that the current strategy was sufficient.

Ancient Proverb: "If you don't change your direction, you're likely to end up where you're headed"

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janet slavin

1:16 pm on Tuesday, March 27, 2012

Clarify this for me, is this fitness center different than the weight room used by the teams on the second floor? (by the track?) I'm confused, is this by the pool on the lower level? If so, I didn't know we had one.

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Tatum Ryan

3:46 pm on Tuesday, March 27, 2012

Hi Janet- the community fitness center is the weight room on the second floor by the indoor track. There are also tread mills and other machines in there as well.

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